THREAD CLIPS #46 - 1/1/00

THREAD CLIPS #46

Happy New Year to all,
	
It struck me as we watched Tom Brokaw in Times Square, that everyone
genuinely seemed to getting along, just like we do here in Groop.  From
the time that they blew off those fireworks in Aussie (bang up job, Bill)
til we finally finished up with our West Coast friends, (sorry about
Seattle), it was a fun time all around the globe.  Hope you enjoyed it.
	
And in honor of the new millennium, I would like to propose the next
great innovation in computer programs.  We got deck programs, kitchen
programs, sheet goods programs, how about one for Upholsterin ??  
I think I will call it Turbo Tacker.
	
It will contain all the standard couch and chair diagrams with yardage
estimates, and it will allow you to enter a digital picture of Aunt
Mildred's chair, and then show how it will look in a huge variety of
fabrics - all in 3d of course.  The deluxe version will give you a cut
list including the length of the bias welt, and quantities of everything
from foam to frame edge.
	
Now lets see, all I need is a genius programmer, and a way market an
expensive product to what are no doubt the cheapest, cotton pickin, nail
straightening, corner-cutting, bunch of tradespeople in the world.  Maybe
I been suckin on too many tacks ??
  	


QUOTE OF THE WEEK
	
Everything comes if a man will only wait.  
--Benjamin Disraeli




GROOP NEWS for the Week Ending Sat. Jan. 1, 2000
	

Allow me to welcome a bunch of new members this week, including Mike
Baker from ClassicCraft in MN, Ken Pettis a FM from NJ, Susan McLoughlin,
who will no doubt wax eloquently, Lou Villar from SanFran, Larry McNeil
from VA, and the returning Ronald Trapasso from MA (where ya been ?).  
In case you hadn't noticed, BillM and Melinda usually welcome everyone
individually, though MartinO, RogerB, Barney, Reed, and BobO were helpin
out this week.  Dontcha love FredMc welcoming LarryMc ??  And Martin, if
Larry is the DeGlueGoo man, we met in Sturbridge, and he has a great
product indeed !!  Susan started right in, so now its time for the rest of you 
to get typin.  And if you are nervous, do as Bill advises, knock the top off a 
coldie, and tell us all.
	
Ozzie and Daniel offered some sage advice to newbie Ty Faragothe, as both 
of them attended the School of Hard Knocks.  Daniel's suggestion of Bob 
Flexner's book is excellent, as is the idea of getting PR Mag.  KevinH added 
both our own Jeff Jewitt's book and that of M. Dresdner, and I would like to 
add our own Sue Noble's book "Perfect Wood Finishes" and the Woodshop
Newspaper as the seeds of a reading list for someone just starting out.  
And Groop, of course.  We probably have almost 2 Millennia of experience 
available 7 days a week, and we talk back !!!
	
Some day tell us about your apprenticeship, Kevin ??	
	
I sure am glad that JeffJ and DaveR got the geography of Cleveland straightened 
out, we wouldn't want ya bikin into the Cumberbund Gap by mistake, Jeff.  
Reed has the right idea, but I'll wager that some of our lady members would 
insist on being in the FRONT of that tandem ?
	
Speaking of stuff, MarkP posted a referral from his Star rep on a DeV
booth for sale, that sounds like a fabulous deal at 4k if you need one. 
Chas, Schaeffer 937-433-0870 if you forgot.  LenH, aka The Beav posted a
great website, www.veneernet.com, and that sneaky Shadow, somehow got a
copy of the new Master's Magic catalog which has tons of cool hardware
and stuff.  MM's prez Terry Parrish hasn't been around Groop much lately,
but we would love to hear from you, if you are reading this, Terry ?? 
800-548-6583 for a copy.
	
MarkH has Georgia on his mind, and like so many of us is ready to make a
career move based on the needs of his family.  UtahRich, by way of BillM
- goodonya.
	
And it was really cool that BrianMc went to visit DaveR in TN !!  These
kind of real life encounters just prove the awesome power of Groop, and
friendship that these daily emails can foster.  Rock on lads, people are
the real network.
	


 SEMI PERMANENT THREADS


 The Duke Holds Court
If any of you newbies wants to get a great look at the man we call LOL,
The Duke of Duravar, check out the current issue of PR Mag. 
(www.prorefinishing.com)  Though we are not affiliated with the magazine,
Frank and other members have contributed articles and our own Alan Noel
writes a great column in each issue. Yes, he pays me to say that.
	
Frank gave us a special dose of his legendary sharing, as he related a story 
from his boyhood, that is so spooky it has to be true.  DaveR spoke well for
 us all when he said that he wanted to be a little more like Frank.  
I would just like to add that, at least for me, whatever I contribute to Groop, 
I get back many times over.


Show Page
Check out Ozzie's lumber storage racks. Ron liked 'em.



HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE WEEK

OLD THREADS



Shellac	
Thanks to BobO for clarifying the elusive "gypsious spar" which he
accurately describes as expensive dirt from the Italian island of Elba. 
They say that Stradivari used it as a filler, and Bob reports that it
does work well for that purpose. Kremer Pigments 212-219-2394.	
	
	
DuraVar
OK Frank, I think it is time to fire up a new one ?	


Frenchin (with Steve)
BobO responded to KimT's tip on cleaning brushes in ammonia, by saying
that baking soda works too, though he uses alcohol with a shot of baby
oil for the hands.  I would love to watch Bob frenchin, since he says he
gets little on his hands and what does get there eventually finds its way
on to the piece anyhow.  I would especially like to see him work in the
colors.
	
Ozzie is curious too, and he asked how long between "coats" ?  MichaelR
responded that he can go around 2-3 times before the pad starts to pull,
and the key is not to rush.  1 or 2 sessions a day is good.  Just ask The
Boss, he got tired goin around once.
	
Reed talked about making pads or "rubbers" using upholstery cotton
inside with a layer of linen outside, which is kinda funny, because KimT
said the same thing.  If anyone needs a cheap source of bulk cotton
(Russ??) there is a big upholstery supply right in my backyard.  Kim also
said that she gets good results by dewaxing the store bought shellac by
putting it corked wine bottles, and leaving it in the window.  She then
racks off the clear stuff into plastic squeeze bottles.  MichaelR said he
used canned stuff too, but he is getting far superior results with fresh
made.  NO doubt his technique is far better than most of us, how you say,
haquers. Press hard Ozzie.


Hand Protection
	Gloved.


Staining Cane
	Aged up nicely.	


Books
Daniel mentioned a new book called Great Wood Finishes due this Spring. 
You gonna be signin those Jeff ?	



Plywood - Veneering - Vacuum
	Puckered.	



Aussie Timber
Our amazin Aussie mate BillM continues with his series Great Woods We
Never Heard Of, with an entry on Aussie Black Bean.  This rain forest tree 
gets huge and yields what sounds like some beautifully figured heartwood.  
I love the description "greasy" Bill, we would call teak "oily" but yours sounds 
a bit more like real life.  Russ made a great suggestion about the 
Int'l Wood Collectors Soc.  www.woodcollectors.org  (tks Shadow). 
Maybe then you can convince the wife that all those piles are treasure ??
	
RickT said he had some Aussie eucalyptus that was hollowed out by
termites, and it was for a didjeridu.  Huh ?  You don't smoke anything
through it, do you Rick ??
	
And here is one for you Bill.  In my magazine from the tool collectors society, 
is an article on a unique axe made just in Aussie land.  It seems that in the 
ole days, gasoline and oil were put up in wooden crates that held two 4 gal 
cans packed to travel.  Shell Oil supplied a special hatchet, made of spark 
resistant bronze or brass with a big ole shell right on the side. 
Probably worth more than a couple of shells over here, mate.


Credit Cards
	Maxed out
	

Guitars
	Plucked.



Health Insurance
Melinda wrote to say that they are looking into Phillips Assurance at
www.phillipsgroupinc.com.  We expect a full report !


Lathe
BrianMc wrote back to defend his defense of Shopsmith as a good all
around machine for a refinisher with limited space, and he recommends a
woodturning newsgroup, but I am afraid I didn't quite get the address ? 
Write if you need it.
	
I will say this, there is nothing quite as nice as dialing up the quill
speed on a Shopsmith lathe, full torque thru the whole speed range and
infinitely adjustable.	Still big bucks.



Ozone Generator
	Smell is gone.



Piano Bench
	Is it better in the Winter, Mark ??	



Sandpaper
	Clogged	


Teeny Nails
This one won't die !  KimT wrote to say that she not only knows the
Peter Chester of whom MartinO spoke, but he helped her quite a lot. 
Small world.  Kim see if a tall skinny Cappucino will interest him in the
Groop.  The Boss is buyin.	
	
Thanks to KitM for clarifying that the very expensive Senco mini blaster
is oil-less and the very much cheaper Accuset needs oil.  $200 bucks will
keep me in oil for a while.	


Antiques or Furn Repair (or Yeller pages)
I just love it when BobO gets wound up, musta been the Christmas coffee.
 In his short epistle to the heathens, he proclaims the virtues of exclusivity, 
subtlties of snobbery, and the fine art of the attitude.  Get unlisted, make 
appointments only, and say "general public" like Scrooge. 
 
The Boss, and MartinO rightly proclaim our new hero.  

AlanN seems to be living the dream as he has no ad and not even a sign.  
He isn't even taking new customers (sounds like my dentist) and his 4 day
weeks are booked til June.  Of course he did happen to mention working
his BUTT off for 10 years to get there.  He took Daniel's network of Jewish 
folks one better, with his brilliant use of the baby rockers to "cement" the 
relationships.  Hey Alan, you ever think of writing for amagazine ??
	
Johnson went one better adding that we should make the customers bring
references and a credit rating.  Right on.
	
Martin also went on about the YP ad people to the point of calling the
AG, only to learn that the local phone co. is powerless when it comes to
advertising.  His plan is to target people with $$$$ and work the
almighty word of mouth.  LarryC agrees, though he does keep several ads
in the YP and finds Furniture Repair and Refin is the best for them. 
Whadda do with 15 people Larry ???
	
~RichC (that would be tildeRichC, Bill) said he is keepin his ad for now
in hopes of keeping the troops fed, and he brings up a good point about
needing to be nimble on the phone if you do run an ad.  I hope you don't
spend too much time lookin at the phone, Daniel ?
	
Rich consoled Daniel by adding that the Senior YP seems to work pretty well 
for him too.  You don't need more work Rich,  you need more better work.



The Parable
	I think the PUD is a DUD, Greg.  We still love ya.	


Black on MDF
	I see a red door .........   (boy are we old)


Crazy Glue
You hooked a live one Daniel.  MarkP reported that they do gel, though
they are not weaker just goopier.  You store the new stuff in the refrig,
small bottles.  KevinH reminded us to keep the lid on the ole accelerator, 
and make sure it is not next to the CA, or it will be glooop.
	
JeffJ added that these moisture cure adhesives will gel, and 'splained
that cyanocrylate (rhymes with hotplate) is a generic term, and that
isocyanate is the polyurethane flavor.  Glad you got that Daniel, but I
hope there isn't a quiz.
	
Ozzie wants to know how to thin it out when it gets old, and wise ole
GregW said that buying this stuff in small containers may NOT be more
expensive in the end, and BTW, don't use it right outa the fridge !
	
And now a word about shop safety, from MartinO, who advises NOT pouring
this stuff in the trash, since the fumes are nasty, and GregW quickly
points out could be flammable as hell ! (metaphorically speaking)  Greg
also advises not wiping up a spill, and getting max air flow ASAP.  This
stuff is moisture cure, so the easy thing to do is put old stuff in water

DUH.  You are welcome, I am sure, Martin.
	
SteveZ the mild mannered hero of Bloxygen fame added that his inert and
dry gas is just the thing for keepin moisture outa the container.  Thank
you, masked man.
	
KitM keeps his in the freezer and thaws for 24 hours with no problems. 
He likes Hot Stuff from Liberon, and MarkP suggested 800-glueall(Ed
Dryburg) for some good fresh stuff.


ExLibris 2
	Don Libro, I come to you on the day of your daughter's wedding....


Late Pickup
	Can you spell forfeit ?



Library Steps
GregS asked for a copy of ze plans but Santa must have distracted
everyone.  How about it Ozzie and LOL ??


NASE
	Maybe we should try NASDAQ ?  Nah.	


New Shop
Ron asked Ozzie for a picture of his rack setup and sure nuf, he came
thru, and it sure is easier to understand once you see a picture.  Roger
asked for alternatives to spending $1200 at Home Depot for cabinets. NOT,
and I think that request kinda got lost in the holiday glow.  One more try ??
	

PEG
Sounds like Daniel knew something about the mysterious Mr Sexton, who
obviously does not trust the big companies with his discovery.  If this
guy really is a genius, or just a lucky experimenter, we have been
wasting a lot of wood for a lot of years.  I kinda hope he is a genius.	


Portable Bench
	A little too small for the train set, Don.	


Recollections 99
Thanks to StevenW for relating his wonderful CFE (cosmic Frank
experience) of the Summer, and to the always entertaining BillM for his
gracious thank-yous to all and for continuing the rumor that Stevo is
good lookin.  Oh yeah, Steve, he said you were a perspiration, too.
	
Frank, I think we need a cartoon of Steve puttin a nail in the carrots
and findin 'em with the metal detector.  Steve, don't get that thing near
your head.
	
I know how you feel TommyL, when you say you are not worthy to carry the
pot (glue pot, of course) around here, and we are REALLY glad you stayed
around through the bumpy spots.  You have a bunch of mentors and 100+
friends and we really are flying smooth now.	
	
Nice to hear from Gary and MaryH who left the military, joined the
"real" world and the Groop.  We help each other folks, it is just that
simple, and you will get a turn, Gary.
	
You are right Russ, Daniel was particularly profound this week with his
thoughts on the value of trial and ERROR.  We have all been there, and
all are better for it, just ask DaveR's quality inspector - himself.  
There really can be great growth in failure, and no one says it has to be
your own failure.  Maybe you should start a "Digging Out" thread Daniel ?
 "How I cleaned the carpet when she wasn't looking". 
	It is obvious you speak from personal truth.


Solar deLuxe
The guy (Bruce Hamilton) who suggested using this to realmalg NC
lac is the same guy who has the piece in the Gallery at the back of 
PR mag.  Nice job.


Threaded Rod
	What did you do Len ??	



NEW THREADS



Biz Plans
~RichC wrote to ask RonJ if he was tryin to get a loan  He wasn't, but
look what happened:  KimT said she is a one person shop and she is doing
one by checking out www.officedepot.com, while Melinda consulted Biz
Plans for Dummies, and Denny offered to send a copy of his by email to
anyone who needed it.  Groop is good.
	
FrankA said he used Biz Plan Pro software and took his to the SBA for
help before he went to the bank.  RandyC used a local tech college and
SCORE (www.score.org) which TommyL kindly decoded as the Service
Corps of Retired Execs.  RichC thought the SBA would be a good source, 
and WEB said he finally got help from Biz Plan Builder a brief 49 page 
walk in the park.  NOT.
	
Ozzie had a great idea of calling the local college biz schools which
got him a plan and some new friends, while newbie SusanMc suggested
www.lowe.org, which Ron really liked, and Jack from WenWa added
wwwinfousa.com, as well.
	
And I was as dumbfounded as the Shadow, when BobO said that we are
really mfgs.  Cosmic.  I don't know what to do with this knowledge, but
it is still cosmic.





Caner
Is there a caner in the house ?  MartinO talked of a shortage of skilled
folks in the W-S area, the need to charge more, and the value of Groop
for supporting these "lost" arts.

BrianMc went and stirred it up sayin how easy it is to do this work
yourself, and how he can do 6 with one hand behind his back watchin TV
and all. Didn't sound right to MichaelR who thought maybe 6 in a DAY
(long day) and how he subs it out. Who wouldn't when he you are making
more than the caner ?  KitM said he would send some chairs over to Brian,
though he conceded that he could maybe do 6 pressed in an hour if they were 
all prepared. (that's cheatin).  DaveL said the same thing, but was quite 
adamant on the hand canes.  Nice to hear from JenniC who said 3-4 hours for 
an average hand cane (you must be good) and reminded us to check the senior 
centers (also the Association for the Blind) for possible caners.
	
Even Vic who has bent the truth (once I think) said it took his guy all
day to do one, though his guy is older than my guy !!
	
Brian did defend himself, and posted some good tips for doing a pressed
seat, and added that he did 300+ for Wendy's though not that many hand
canes to be sure.  It was cool that newbie "Ty"F thought we were pickin
on Brian, and it sounds like Brian got himself a full size friend indeed.
 
Always good to have big friends, I'd say.
	
UtahRich was right in there to welcome his XXL neighbor, though it
sounds like he is stirrin up trouble in the Western territories. 
Remember, we got Custard.
	
Thanks to JimCobb for the tips on gluing in the spline, and to Melinda
for being brave.  I didn't think you would say bullfeathers, if you had a
mouthful.  GregS said it too, kinda.  For BillM, our preferred local
version is bullcookies.
	
In a very nice footnote, Brian made a very eloquent statement about what
it is like to strive to be the best, and how he sometimes pushes himself,
just to see if he can.  If I had 300 to do, Brian, I am sure I would have done 
something to break up the monotony too ! You did conduct yourself like a 
true Southern Gentleman, as the Boss pointed out, and the real point is that 
we are here to help each other and have fun doing it. 

Nobody ever questioned Steve when he said he strips 423 pieces a week 
or whatever it was, cuz we KNOW he is crazy.
Stick with us Brian, you are a good sport.



Compressor Accy's
	
Hey, lets help DaveL spend some money.  Seems he is willing to trade a
new DVD for some compressor toys, and the money is getting warm.  Leave
it to Kevin to shoot the whole wad on a "small" Kremlin Airmix, which for
$1200 should make coffee, AND clean the shop.  I still want one, Santa.
	
MartinO had a clean idea to get some clean air and maybe an Apollo
conversion gun, while JeffJ said the Asturo (Italian dontcha know) would
be a good choice.  Jeff Weiss at Target 800-752-9972 sells the ECO
pressure feed model.  Jeff added that a pressure pot is nice to have, but
GregS likes his touchup gun (me too) as well as a brad shooter and one of
them new micro pinners.  Good tip on using the Paslode nails in the
Porter Cable finish gun, Greg, and yes you gotta have a die grinder Dave.
	
Ty asked about a small compressor too, and Daniel said that even the new
little ones will push a Stuhr rubbing machine. Yeah, it is Greg Goldberg
who is da man on these beauties, and I am sure that GregW did not take
offense.  He didn't mention, Ty, that this magic machine is about double
the cost of the compressor, and that once you use one, you will be hooked
forever.  I would recommend a 5hp oil-less compressor  if you can stand
the noise, and Sears is as good a place as any to start looking,
especially if you can wait for a sale.  Go for a 220v unless you are
gonna travel with it.



NMP Flowover
Denny started it.  He is using it for hand stripping and wondered if
there was a possibility of a flow over.  It seems to have lots of
advantages, and he is concerned about all the possible problems with MC. 
GaryH was first up (see I told you!)  and said that Furniture Medic uses
NMP in this way and though it can be pumped, he uses the coffee can
method, with a pump to rinse.  He also says it does a good job and goes a
long way too.
	
JeffJ is somewhat of an authority on this after his 3 year trial to
perfect a method starting with Union Carbide material.  The main problem
was the tendency of NMP to linger in the nooks and crannies, to the point
where an unfinished table leaf offgassed enough to actual strip some
finish on the next leaf !!

Complete disassembly was the only solution, with an isoprop wash and a
one week dry out.  He scrapped the project.  Denny confirmed these
results, even with a LT wash, and wonders why the FM's don't have
problems ??  Jeff did say the isoprop wash rasied the grain, but it was
not a big deal.
	
RogerB is an FM and like Gary uses the NMP successfully with a denatured
al. rinse.  He says there is very little smell, and it doesn't burn skin.
(hear that Stevo ?).
	
~RichC, I know you mean well, but Martin Seelye of Robostripper fame was
using DMF, dimethyl formaline (I think that how you spell it) not NMP is
his iron monster.   That is another whole subject, which is in the Library.


PR Mag
As always, the have's rub it in to the have nots.  DaveL was first to say how 
great it was to see all of our Groop folks mentioned in print, but there will be 
NO livin with Stevo if he gets a whole article printed, trust me.
	
Darn nice of you RichC to offer to package up copies for BillM, I know he would 
enjoy them immensely.  Barney sure liked LOL's ergomagic, but poor ole RonJ 
was still waitin for the Pony Express.  See about gettin the roads paved, Ron.
	
I am sure Len enjoyed his first issue, though I sure feel sorry for his poor wife, 
laid up and having to listen to all that.  Melinda needs some consultation from 
the ErgoMaster, and where else but Groop you gonna get that, I ask ya ?
	
Nice move shovin the mag in yer boss' face Chap, though I am not at all sure 
that our female members totally buy into the universal use of "guys".  BobO  
feels that it is a term of INclusion but actually, the REAL guy was Guy Fawkes, 
a 1600's English conspirator whose very name came to mean a villian who was 
often forcibly EXcluded.  Sure has softened up on this side of the Pond.
	
Wasn't Lewis Carroll with the Jefferson Airplane ??



Recliner
RickB wrote of a sorry sounding leaner.  But that did not stop a whole
gang of rushing in to help.  MichaelR listed all the painfully familiar
problems like broken frame members, and busted mechanisms, and was the
first to say that only some of the mfg's supply replacements.  RogerB
said to flip it, and JackM said he does 2 a month. (the question "why"
comes to mind) and you can bet your bottom cushion that the rivets are
tough to replace.  Good to hear from DickT, who said it looked like new
parts, and then here comes Daniel with a whole bunch of really useful
information about how to go about getting them.  Wearing a dust mask is
something I learned the hard way, and using lock washers is another
excellent idea.  Those pesky star shaped drive heads are called Torx and
you really need to have 3 or 4 of them in your tool kit nowadays.  The
Chem Tech T-88 epoxy repair is certainly sound, but Daniel observed that
it is often cheaper to buy new.  That has been my experience, and
obviously that of BobO.
	
~RichC spoke of a special tool for "zigger" springs (they still bite)
and you don't charge too much Rich, they make the new ones too cheap. 
Reed is right when he says some of these outfits don't even use spring
clips.  GaryR and SteveH added to the chorus of concerned spectators, and
BillR had a great tip for marking the doggone mechanism with a white dot
(white-out in my touchup box) before you make it into a tangle of metal. 
When I did them Bill, it was a half hour just for the bad language.  I
get the  distinct impression that everyone was just as glad it was
sitting in Rick's shop.


ScotchGard
This is a strange.  RogerB wrote to say he encountered a mahog table with a 
white grunge in the film over the entire surface.   He also said south facing 
window (clue) and noticed an unusual ScotchGard label underneath.  KevinH 
was the only one brave enough to take a stab at this one, and he felt that the 
finish was toasted by the sun, and likely beyond repair.  Hey Russ, maybe 
someone at 3m would know if they made a finish protector product ??  
I think they may have.


Secret Pin
The Beav obviously doesn't get to the mall too often.  He was pretty
well paralyzed by a trick box with a loose pin, and wondered If anyone
would give him the shortcut.  The Shadow was just teasin, and Len
admitted that he darn near got thrown outa the store like a little kid
handling the goods.  It was kind of MartinO to check the FWW index at
www.taunton.com but he got nuthin. Which is exactly what Len got.  
Anyone else wanna volunteer  ??


Tambour
VicA had a strange of his own, with a deal that had the cloth on TOP of
the slats and that covered by oak veneer.  Somehow he has to provide a
repair or replacement, and wisely he did not give a firm quote.  DaveL
wrote right in to say that he had a really messed up Hoosier tambour that
the customer wanted saved.
	
Jeff was first up with the unusual suggestion of using contact cement on
Vic's problem though he felt the veneer would have to be replaced too. 
Anybody ever use hide glue and glycerin (I use glycerin to soften up cane
sometimes but not in glue ?)  RichC was a big help, he said make a new
one, but GregS agreed that he thought the veneer was doomed.  There are
ready made replacements out there.  UtahRich was the only one who said
that he has seen this technique before, and he opted to replace it rather
than make all the jigs and cauls needed to recreate the original design.
	
KevinH was more optimistic about trying to save it with steam and only
replacing the damaged veneer sections, but he was unsure if this
technique was orginal to the piece ?
Our resident conservator, LenH, (the Beav) said the piece would lose some
integrity if the tambour was replaced, and promptly recommended doing it
anyway.  I love down to earth conservators, Len.
	
VicA to the rescue for Dave's Hoosier.  He says that you can soak and
clamp up the bent slats, and if you leave them a good week, they will be
just fine.  He also suggested the special glue that VanDyke's sells just
for this purpose.	


Wax
MartinO responded to SusanMc about their shared interest in wax, as he
has tried a dozen or more over the years.  He wisely avoids the toulene
variety on antiques and even made the famous George Frank recipe for an
emulsified wax but didn't really like it.  ~RichC noted the current article on 
wax in FWW, which Martin promptly received the next day.  The usually 
quiet GilH put in a plug for KiwiBois (that is Bwah, Stevo, I mean Frenchie) 
which he sell though www.hummercap.com (do you sell small quantities Gil ??)
	
And Susan, I can see the beginnings of a beautiful friendship.  Many of
our grizzled ole timers have written that the only stupid question is one
not asked, and you bravely jumped right in.  Goodonya. 
	
Martin graciously did his best to answer your questions on toulene,
George Frank, and FWW, and did it like a real Groop Pro.   Martin, it
would be great if you would share a couple of Geo. Frank stories ??  
And maybe post the famous wax recipe that JimR asked for, I am sure 
many are curious.

Susan, don't EVER hold back a question, even if you get a little good
natured ribbin, and check out www.taunton.com if you haven't already.



Workstation Height
Melinda wrote to ask the newly proclaimed Emir of Ergo, about handling
the vast difference in height between she and Charlie.  I am sure that
you can come up with an adjustable bench system, but it seems like it
would be a real pain to have to move all four legs very often ?? Black
pipe is not light. You gotta love Frank's solution of Shrimp Boxes.  I
even love the name.  WHY didn't you put that in the mag Frank ??  



ADDENDUM TO QUOTE OF THE WEEK
	
Everything is in Groop, if you will only ask.  
-- Benjamin Discourse



LOOSE THREADS
	Anybody check out the Sexton website ESP-90.com ??	
	Roger, tell RonJ the name of the flowover table co.
	Beav, what DID happen to that barley twist ?  
	Martin is the barley man, after all.


Signing off from Groopville,

MikeM
The Roman numeral for 2000 is MM.  Ha !





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